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		<title>Comment on So I did that thing again&#8230; by Marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christie, this is AWESOME news! Congratulations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christie, this is AWESOME news! Congratulations!</p>
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		<title>Comment on So I did that thing again&#8230; by kristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so dang happy for you.  Yep, you amaze me and I&#039;m absolutely thrilled that this technological age we live in has allowed me to &quot;meet&quot; people such as yourself.  I feel blessed.

Give yourself a hug sweetie - you are amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so dang happy for you.  Yep, you amaze me and I&#8217;m absolutely thrilled that this technological age we live in has allowed me to &#8220;meet&#8221; people such as yourself.  I feel blessed.</p>
<p>Give yourself a hug sweetie &#8211; you are amazing!</p>
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		<title>Comment on brb having adventure by Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NY? Righteous Metal? Wow I didn&#039;t know any of this you&#039;re gonna have the best time ever!! And then your sisters will come see you like a week later! OMG does the excitement never cease? 

ps the packing neuroses sound just like me! and ma!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NY? Righteous Metal? Wow I didn&#8217;t know any of this you&#8217;re gonna have the best time ever!! And then your sisters will come see you like a week later! OMG does the excitement never cease? </p>
<p>ps the packing neuroses sound just like me! and ma!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: Your cover letter and you by Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I grew up in Smalltown, PA and I went to high school with Jane Smith.  She&#039;s a really good writer, I think you should totally print her work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I grew up in Smalltown, PA and I went to high school with Jane Smith.  She&#8217;s a really good writer, I think you should totally print her work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: Your cover letter and you by Heather N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice, Christie! Thanks for the insider info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice, Christie! Thanks for the insider info.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: What editors owe us by Stephen R. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen R. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an excellent point of view. I am an editor for 365tomorrows, and a writer, so I approach my role as an editor with the sensibilities of a writer, and quite honestly - that makes my job much harder.

The writer in me wants feedback, so when rejecting a story I want to provide something to the person who took the leap and submitted a story such that they can learn from the experience and do better next time. Given that I&#039;m quite often sifting through twenty or thirty stories in a sitting, that becomes difficult and at some point responding in a timely fashion take precedent over responding with any degree of critical depth.

Editing for 365 is about finding the balance between selecting only the very best stories for the outlet and providing a showcase for new and talented writers. It&#039;s also about expecting more, and motivating writers to expect more of themselves.

If you think it&#039;s hard getting a rejection letter, try sending them out by the hundreds. Help all of us, write to the very best of your ability, constantly push to expand your ability and give us the gems that we&#039;re looking for. With that, everyone wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an excellent point of view. I am an editor for 365tomorrows, and a writer, so I approach my role as an editor with the sensibilities of a writer, and quite honestly &#8211; that makes my job much harder.</p>
<p>The writer in me wants feedback, so when rejecting a story I want to provide something to the person who took the leap and submitted a story such that they can learn from the experience and do better next time. Given that I&#8217;m quite often sifting through twenty or thirty stories in a sitting, that becomes difficult and at some point responding in a timely fashion take precedent over responding with any degree of critical depth.</p>
<p>Editing for 365 is about finding the balance between selecting only the very best stories for the outlet and providing a showcase for new and talented writers. It&#8217;s also about expecting more, and motivating writers to expect more of themselves.</p>
<p>If you think it&#8217;s hard getting a rejection letter, try sending them out by the hundreds. Help all of us, write to the very best of your ability, constantly push to expand your ability and give us the gems that we&#8217;re looking for. With that, everyone wins.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: Why I refuse to be a snarky slusher (and why I unfollow those that are) by Elizabeth West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unpublished writer here.

I thank you for this.  Writing is awesome but submitting and querying SUCK.  The best people and the ones I like to submit to are the ones who give very specific guidelines (not just &quot;We are seeking things that move us deeply&quot;--what is THAT supposed to mean?!), who take the time to point out those common mistakes, and who steer us newbies to resources that allow us to improve our submissions.  What better way to upgrade your slush pile?

Hopefully we writers who take these suggestions and better our craft will have our efforts noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unpublished writer here.</p>
<p>I thank you for this.  Writing is awesome but submitting and querying SUCK.  The best people and the ones I like to submit to are the ones who give very specific guidelines (not just &#8220;We are seeking things that move us deeply&#8221;&#8211;what is THAT supposed to mean?!), who take the time to point out those common mistakes, and who steer us newbies to resources that allow us to improve our submissions.  What better way to upgrade your slush pile?</p>
<p>Hopefully we writers who take these suggestions and better our craft will have our efforts noted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: Why I refuse to be a snarky slusher (and why I unfollow those that are) by Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be honest - I&#039;m not bothered by the public slushing because the mistakes are so bad that (typos venting aside) even if this IS the best they can do, these people should not be querying yet. And they should KNOW THAT. Presumably they read books, and they can see they are no where close to ready. To me that&#039;s the point of the public slushing. 

However.

I do think they could be nicer about it. No quoting. Just &quot;please check word lengths before sending&quot; or something...

I think the bigger problem with public slushing, though, is the people who are reading the agents&#039; streams, etc, would have done the kind of homework that gets mocked, so it can&#039;t be much of an education, can it? Unless you&#039;ve just wandered onto the internet recently, but then everything is a kind of education. So for me perhaps the problem is less that these people should know better and more that they can&#039;t, and so who&#039;s benefiting, really?

I supported Michelle Wolfson (yes, Bob, you do remember her name) because frankly I thought Bob had too big of an attitude to be doing anything truly nice, but he is right at the core: it is mean. I&#039;ve since changed my tune about that, though I&#039;m not unfollowing anybody because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be honest &#8211; I&#8217;m not bothered by the public slushing because the mistakes are so bad that (typos venting aside) even if this IS the best they can do, these people should not be querying yet. And they should KNOW THAT. Presumably they read books, and they can see they are no where close to ready. To me that&#8217;s the point of the public slushing. </p>
<p>However.</p>
<p>I do think they could be nicer about it. No quoting. Just &#8220;please check word lengths before sending&#8221; or something&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the bigger problem with public slushing, though, is the people who are reading the agents&#8217; streams, etc, would have done the kind of homework that gets mocked, so it can&#8217;t be much of an education, can it? Unless you&#8217;ve just wandered onto the internet recently, but then everything is a kind of education. So for me perhaps the problem is less that these people should know better and more that they can&#8217;t, and so who&#8217;s benefiting, really?</p>
<p>I supported Michelle Wolfson (yes, Bob, you do remember her name) because frankly I thought Bob had too big of an attitude to be doing anything truly nice, but he is right at the core: it is mean. I&#8217;ve since changed my tune about that, though I&#8217;m not unfollowing anybody because of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: Why I refuse to be a snarky slusher (and why I unfollow those that are) by Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t suffer fools.
If a market honestly has time to publicly mock you it means they take themselves way too seriously.
If you allow it to get to you it means that you take yourself way too seriously.

Ignore snarkers.  Let the snark hang out there, without response, like a bully&#039;s joke getting no courtesy laughs or wimpy stammerins rebuttals.  The worst thing you can do is react like Bob did-- get in the trenches with some peon and &quot;stand up to the snarker.&quot;

Pro writers don&#039;t have time to deal with the petty musings of self-righteous volunteer slush-drones.  The rest of us can at least act like we don&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t suffer fools.<br />
If a market honestly has time to publicly mock you it means they take themselves way too seriously.<br />
If you allow it to get to you it means that you take yourself way too seriously.</p>
<p>Ignore snarkers.  Let the snark hang out there, without response, like a bully&#8217;s joke getting no courtesy laughs or wimpy stammerins rebuttals.  The worst thing you can do is react like Bob did&#8211; get in the trenches with some peon and &#8220;stand up to the snarker.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pro writers don&#8217;t have time to deal with the petty musings of self-righteous volunteer slush-drones.  The rest of us can at least act like we don&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons From the Slush Pile: Why I refuse to be a snarky slusher (and why I unfollow those that are) by Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very good points, and there&#039;s a lot of parallels with the academic world where I work helping Graduate Students and their studies, and one of the frequent things that I have to apologize for is the tone that some of our instructors seems to have online. Usually, they&#039;re really not that mean in person, it&#039;s just a disconnect that occurs online, but other times, there&#039;s a genuine amount of frustration at the common mistakes. Making fun of them, especially in public, is not something that should ever be done - it&#039;s unprofessional, but doing so simply because you can get away with it, because it&#039;s anonymous, or because of your postition as an agent/editor/publisher seems to me to be inexcusable. 

On the other hand, if writers are going to be taken seriously as, well, writers, they need to demonstrate that they should be able to write, and write well. I can see people&#039;s frustration as being rejected for spelling errors, typos and other mistakes, but there is a good reason for looking over one&#039;s work, having beta readers or even running a comprehensive spellcheck on the thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very good points, and there&#8217;s a lot of parallels with the academic world where I work helping Graduate Students and their studies, and one of the frequent things that I have to apologize for is the tone that some of our instructors seems to have online. Usually, they&#8217;re really not that mean in person, it&#8217;s just a disconnect that occurs online, but other times, there&#8217;s a genuine amount of frustration at the common mistakes. Making fun of them, especially in public, is not something that should ever be done &#8211; it&#8217;s unprofessional, but doing so simply because you can get away with it, because it&#8217;s anonymous, or because of your postition as an agent/editor/publisher seems to me to be inexcusable. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if writers are going to be taken seriously as, well, writers, they need to demonstrate that they should be able to write, and write well. I can see people&#8217;s frustration as being rejected for spelling errors, typos and other mistakes, but there is a good reason for looking over one&#8217;s work, having beta readers or even running a comprehensive spellcheck on the thing.</p>
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